View Full Version : New Canon Products Offically Announced!!!
ccplim
08-22-2005, 8:31 AM
Check out DPreview (http://www.dpreview.com). So the 5D and 1D Mk II N are official!!!
Canon EOS 5D - Official website (http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos5d/index.html)
DPreview announcement (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05082209canoneos5d.asp)
Canon EOS 1D Mk II N - Official website (http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos1dm2n/index.html)
DPreview announcement (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05082208canoneos1dmkiin.asp)
Canon EF 24-105mm f4L IS USM and 70-300mm (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05082207canonlenses.asp)
Canon Speedlite 430 EX (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05082206canon430ex.asp)
Obliviou$
08-22-2005, 9:25 AM
5D: Didn't like the design that much. Specs looks great though, full frame and stuff. Cool that the LCD doesn't loose brightness from different point of views.
1D mkII N looks quite perfect though, specs and design.
benny
08-22-2005, 11:30 AM
Hmm... looks like Canon is set to conquer the full frame market. Too bad they don't make great wide angle lenses. Shame.
The 2.5" LCD on the 1D MK2N seems like a good improvement. Other than that...
Cheers,
meriadoc
08-22-2005, 11:57 AM
1 - Its about freakin time
2 - 3fps??? I can't go backwards from 5fps!!
Out of those two, i'd probably go for the 1dmkIIN than anything else, because its faster fps. For landscapes the FF would be nice, but 99% of my stuff is wildlife anyway, so I'd stick with what i've got for now...
Now, if the 1DMkII drops in price, then i'd consider that, but if i were more into landscapes, i'd probably get the FF..
at least thats what i'm telling myself ;)
go Canon! cool stuff. this should be an exciting year for photography.
Now, if the 1DMkII drops in price, then i'd consider that, but if i were more into landscapes, i'd probably get the FF..
at least thats what i'm telling myself ;)
Lisa,
Don't keep telling yourself. Get one! I'm sure the price of 1D MK2 will drop to an attractive level.
Since we are on the subject... hmm... is it time for new cameras.....
So tempting, but it's not going to do anything more for me that my current gear can't deliver. But so tempting....
Cheers,
Obliviou$
08-22-2005, 2:09 PM
rofl benny.. You got it all and then some!
BUT, do you have a full frame for those really wide shots?
paradise
08-22-2005, 2:44 PM
LOL, benny is a collector of canon products :)
The 5D actually looks pretty cool. It's as good or better than 20d in every aspect except price. It's price seems quite close to the new Mark, and maybe even the same as the old Mark once it settles with the new one's release. But with that much larger LCD, more pixels, and a better communication with the new flashes and lenses, it should be interesting. Plus, full frame :) I am in full "convince the wife" mode (dont think I will be able to though) :(
JerseyJay
08-22-2005, 3:21 PM
To all you Canon Lovers (*especially Benny).... you have two options which would be mine if I was Canon Lover
#1) Save your pennies for MarkIII
#2) Save your pennies for MarkII 1Ds (* price should go down next year with release of MarkIII)
Mark IIN - is equivelent of Nikon D2Hs. Nothing spectacular improved but the strategy is to keep "the hype" going.
If you are Hard Core into Full Frame and Landscape Photography and can deal with the wide angle "some" quality loss then 5D sounds like an amazing machine. But honestly, who wants to spend $3K+ on 3FPS camera and shoot landscape all day long. Unless .... 5D is your 2nd body.
I can't wait for release of Mark III. This one should raise the bar once again.
elTwitcho
08-22-2005, 4:51 PM
Man, both look great but did anyone else notice they sold everyone on how great it would be to have a lense designed for the size of a CCD (EF-S) and then immediately made those lenses obsolete in less than two years on their next generation of cameras?
Agreed, but there aren't too many of those lenses on the market right now. If I remember correctly, there are only 4-5 EF-S mount lenses out there currently. That's not too bad and unlike the FD format which became obsolete once Canon switched over to EF mounts. It'll be interesting to see if they continue with the EF-S mounts for their prosumer line or stop introducing new EF-S mounts lenses altogether.
5D does look pretty impressive right next to the 20D on paper. Not too much into the full frame thing since I shoot Nikon :) and also for the type of shooting which I really enjoy. The cropping factor really helps with macro shots and also for telephoto applications.
meriadoc
08-22-2005, 9:42 PM
Its the whole 3fps for me - I actually use the 5fps, and have played around with some 3fps, and i find it slow now.. I just couldn't go back - besides, a 400mm lens is 640mm on a 20D, and 520mm on a 1Dmk II.
Heck, I've already sold almost $300 worth of prints to one person within the past month! I like my crop factors, but I also like my faster frames..
Now, the 24-105 f4L looks interesting.. at the moment i'm more interested in getting more lenses than anything else right now...
But yes, if i want full frame, i'd be heading toward one of the larger pro bodies..
Besides, EF-s lenses don't fit on 1.3x and FF cameras.
benny
08-22-2005, 10:36 PM
rofl benny.. You got it all and then some!
BUT, do you have a full frame for those really wide shots?
Well...you should see the 14 mm mounted on the 1Ds MK2. Field of view is fantastic. You can squeese the tightest shots in. My other favorite lens on the 1Ds MK2 is the 15 mm fisheye. Very interesting perspective. Not an everyday lens of course.
Cheers,
benny
08-22-2005, 10:46 PM
I am in full "convince the wife" mode (dont think I will be able to though) :(
A used 1D MK2 might be an easier target to aim for and no less spectacular in terms of function. But given what you are already getting with your 20D, not much of a "gain" there.
Cheers,
benny
08-22-2005, 10:58 PM
Man, both look great but did anyone else notice they sold everyone on how great it would be to have a lense designed for the size of a CCD (EF-S) and then immediately made those lenses obsolete in less than two years on their next generation of cameras?
I believe the EF-S lens mount is not obsolete. It's usable on 300D, 350D and 20D currently and on all future cameras with 1.6X crop factor. To be honest, I do like the EF-S lenses for their built quality as well as their optical quality.
Cheers,
benny
08-22-2005, 11:27 PM
Agreed, but there aren't too many of those lenses on the market right now. If I remember correctly, there are only 4-5 EF-S mount lenses out there currently. That's not too bad and unlike the FD format which became obsolete once Canon switched over to EF mounts. It'll be interesting to see if they continue with the EF-S mounts for their prosumer line or stop introducing new EF-S mounts lenses altogether.
What I find most interesting is the number of non Canon users thinking that the FD system is obsolete and totally incompatible with the Canon EF system.
I agreed that FD range of lenses are no longer in production, however, Canon did make a variety of adaptor and converters for folks who wish to continue using their FD mount products on the EOS/EF interface. I'm still using a lot of my FD gear on my current Canon Equipment (albeit with a further multiplier effect of 1.25X), an example would be the Canon FD 100 mm F4.0 macro with my Canon 1D MK2. You can't tell the different in quality unless you nit pick, in which the EF system will usually win, with the exception of lenses on the wide end.
Although the range EF-S lenses will be limited (mostly towards the wide end), especially with price of Full Frame sensors coming down, cameras with EF-S mount can always switch to EF mount lenses without any problem. You can't say that that's not forward thinking to protect consumers against obsolesce. Can that be said of any other camera companies? Some of the more experienced Nikon users will know that not all Nikon lenses can be used on all Nikon bodies.
Having said the above, I can easily be mistaken for a hardcore Canon support, which I'm not. I'm a fan of technology that helps me get my picture, not a blind supporter of a certain brand. If a new camera/product can offer me what I need, I'll jump ship. I was watching the 4/3 system from Olympus with great interest, but after careful analysis, decided that it's not ideal for me.
But honestly, Canon is really give the consumers what they want and at the price that they want. The 300D was the first sub US$1000 digital SLR. the 1Ds was the first full frame digital SLR and the list goes on..
Cheers,
benny
08-22-2005, 11:28 PM
Besides, EF-s lenses don't fit on 1.3x and FF cameras.
Lisa,
I've used the EF-S 60 mm macro on the 1D MK2 and the 1Ds MK2. ;)
Cheers,
What I find most interesting is the number of non Canon users thinking that the FD system is obsolete and totally incompatible with the Canon EF system.
I agreed that FD range of lenses are no longer in production, however, Canon did make a variety of adaptor and converters for folks who wish to continue using their FD mount products on the EOS/EF interface. I'm still using a lot of my FD gear on my current Canon Equipment (albeit with a further multiplier effect of 1.25X), an example would be the Canon FD 100 mm F4.0 macro with my Canon 1D MK2. You can't tell the different in quality unless you nit pick, in which the EF system will usually win, with the exception of lenses on the wide end.
Although the range EF-S lenses will be limited (mostly towards the wide end), especially with price of Full Frame sensors coming down, cameras with EF-S mount can always switch to EF mount lenses without any problem. You can't say that that's not forward thinking to protect consumers against obsolesce. Can that be said of any other camera companies? Some of the more experienced Nikon users will know that not all Nikon lenses can be used on all Nikon bodies.
Having said the above, I can easily be mistaken for a hardcore Canon support, which I'm not. I'm a fan of technology that helps me get my picture, not a blind supporter of a certain brand. If a new camera/product can offer me what I need, I'll jump ship. I was watching the 4/3 system from Olympus with great interest, but after careful analysis, decided that it's not ideal for me.
Very true that the FD mounts aren't obsolete due to the adapters made, but with the adapters you do lose autofocus and metering correct? For macro photography both of those wouldn't really matter but would come in handy. I don't think FD lenses are obsolete either, since I see FD mounts as the equivalent to Nikon's AI lenses.
Not all lenses can work on all Nikon bodies, mostly AI lenses. There's a few out there who will modify these AI lenses to AIS lenses, which is compatible with current digital cameras, which isn't too bad (being able to pick up a 55mm AIS micro lenses and being able to use it with a modern body, which is as sharp as any of the modern macro lenses out there, for next to nothing is a great way to start out with macrophotograhy). What is really awesome is the fact that the D2X is compatible with AI lenses (no autofocus, but they'll meter), making it truly compatible with what Nikon has as far as lenses are concerned.
Canon has been at the forefront by introducing digital technology at affordable prices and I applaud them for doing so. I'm really looking forward to the years to come and enjoying it all (being able to afford them is another matter :) ).
Very true that the FD mounts aren't obsolete due to the adapters made, but with the adapters you do lose autofocus and metering correct? For macro photography both of those wouldn't really matter but would come in handy. I don't think FD lenses are obsolete either, since I see FD mounts as the equivalent to Nikon's AI lenses.
Not all lenses can work on all Nikon bodies, mostly AI lenses. There's a few out there who will modify these AI lenses to AIS lenses, which is compatible with current digital cameras, which isn't too bad (being able to pick up a 55mm AIS micro lenses and being able to use it with a modern body, which is as sharp as any of the modern macro lenses out there, for next to nothing is a great way to start out with macrophotograhy). What is really awesome is the fact that the D2X is compatible with AI lenses (no autofocus, but they'll meter), making it truly compatible with what Nikon has as far as lenses are concerned.
Canon has been at the forefront by introducing digital technology at affordable prices and I applaud them for doing so. I'm really looking forward to the years to come and enjoying it all (being able to afford them is another matter :) ).
FD mount Canon lenses are manual focus lenses to begin with. As such, there is no Auto Focus when mounted on any camera. For metering, it's the camera that does it, not the lens. To use Canon FD lenses on your Canon EOS body with metering, you can chose either the M or the Av mode. Determine the aperture that you wish to use on the lens and the camera will determine the rest (shutter speed, exposure etc). You can even apply exposure compensation on the camera accordingly. Not much difference from mounting manual focus Nikon lenses on Nikon bodies except for the mutiplier effect.
So if metering is the definition of compatibility, then the FD lenses will still fall within this definition, although a strange one.
Cheers,
Good info there, Benny. Thanks for the enlightenment on the Canon mounts.
Metering is one of the criteria for compatibility. I included it in the discussion in regards to AI and AIS lenses. Mountable is another one of those, which doesn't apply to the AI mounts. Mounting an AI mount on Nikon bodies will damage the mount on the digital bodies.
that's why i only use vivitar lenses. :)